I knew how because I wore them when I was wearing fishnets from Victora Secret durring my days as a Heavy Metal Chick. [img]cool.gif[/img] The only why to keep them up. Persoly when I comes to garters for Sam you really don't need them to use the stockings. Since I cannot use the Lacy Whites on some outfits that I use the long stockings on. (Like her Winter Party outfit the neckline is too low.)I have tried without it seems to work.